But was anything left out? To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? A must for every bookshelf.ORDER the book, It seems clear that the Dogon did indeed get their information from other cultures. by Liam McDaid. Concluded Ridpath: "The parts of the Dogon knowledge that are admittedly both ancient and profound, particularly the story of Nommo and the concept of twinning, are the parts that bear least relation to the true facts about Sirius. ", Investigating (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. The main problem with the alleged antiquity of the Dogon "Sirius secrets" legend is that they are reminiscent of European Sirius speculations of the late 1920s. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. of earth and transmitted in conversation. Unfortunately he neglects to mention other bas-reliefs which show "fish-deer" and "fish-lions" and which consequently suggest that the fish motif was symbolic, not descriptive. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Based on Carrolls website (skepdic.com), the Dictionary is the definitive short-answer debunking of nearly every thing skeptical. Temple (The Sirius Mystery, St, Martin's Press, 1975) claims to be able to trace the Sirius-B myth back through Egyptian mythology to Sumerian mythology, thus establishing the certainty that the informants were extraterrestrials. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. his informants in such a forceful leading manner that they created new And does the Dogon mythology ever really say that Nommo, the founder Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. We may never be able to reconstruct the exact route by which the Dogon received their current knowledge, but out of the confusion at least one thing is clear: Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? The proof is supplied by (the Odyssey), where Helios is said to possess 7 herds of 50 cows each and 7 herds of 50 sheep, a transparent allegory of the days and nights of the year.") Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. I did more searching and found that for the keywords Dogon and Sirius B, almost 1000 websites were listed. I wonder. Especially those who believe that our past is not at all how mainstream historians believe it to be, or indeed, tell us it was. Beware of mood swings. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Therefore, if Sirius C exists, it must orbit Sirius A. McDaid, Liam. Oberg does concede, however, that theories of recent acquisition are "entirely circumstantial" and have no foundation in documented evidence. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in, McDaid, Liam. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. This is a complicated issue, because several special interest groups each claim the Dogon for their own. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." var d=new Date();var n=d.toLocaleDateString();var t=d.toLocaleTimeString(); document.write(n + "
" + t); Want to know your future? Except that this isnt the original Dogon drawing. The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. The Dogon and Sirius. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Pseudoarchaeology book by Robert K. G. Temple, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Sirius_Mystery&oldid=1135262588, CS1 maint: bot: original URL status unknown, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 23 January 2023, at 16:12. Sirius figures prominently in the Dogon myths. either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. However, doubts have been raised about the reliability of Griaule and Dieterlen's work on which The Sirius Mystery is based,[4][5] and alternative explanations have been proposed. He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. seem curious. [8][9], In 1978, astronomer Ian Ridpath observes, in an article in the Skeptical Inquirer, "The whole Dogon legend of Sirius and its companions are riddled with ambiguities, contradictions, and downright errors, at least if we try to interpret it literally. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. Ridpath asserts. Concludes Sagan, "There are too many loopholes, too many alternate explanations for such a myth to provide reliable evidence of past extraterrestrial contact. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. scientific equipment, so how could they get this knowledge? "Nowhere in his 295 page book does Temple offer one specific statement from the Dogon to substantiate his ancient astronauts claim." WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. ancient Egypt.*. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Its second, 1998, edition is called The Sirius Mystery: New Scientific Evidence of Alien Contact 5,000 Years Ago. But my own measurements, which One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The Sirius Mystery is a book written by Robert K. G. Temple (born Robert Kyle Grenville Temple in 1945) supporting the pseudoscientific[1] ancient astronauts hypothesis that intelligent extraterrestrial beings visited the Earth and made contact with humans in antiquity and prehistoric times. Why would Europeans feel compelled that they needed to discuss astronomy with such a primitive tribe and why would this transfer of knowledge that only lasted 5 weeks have such an impact on the Dogan people that they would include it in their cultural practices? Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Mali was a former French colony (part of the Sudan), so some Dogon may have gone to French schools in the 1920s.7 Or Jesuit missionaries or merchants may have imparted the information to them.8, There may be an even simpler explanation. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. their knowledge without contact with an advanced technological Mysteries (Ballantine Books, 1999). To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. Copyright 19922023. There are no stable orbits around the less massive Sirius B which exceed three years. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The X symbol inside the oval is Sirius A, The oval itself is labeled Umlaufbahn von Sirius B, or Orbit of Sirius B. Pretty convincing. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. Bullard, Thomas. Temple's book mentions the absorption of a Christ-figure into the traditional Dogon Pantheon, obviously a recent addition. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. Cook some soul food. Robert Temple, who spent eight years studying mythology, is convinced that he can trace the Sirius-B information back to the Sumerians. WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. van Beek, Walter E. A. Or, Griaule's account may reflect his own interests more than that of MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. One of Temple's main According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. He says the references are there but recorded in riddles which he alone has been able to decipher. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon People Revisited.. There are innocent available explanations: typographical error or miscopied notes, for example. mystery resurfaces. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Temple claimed that the Dogon knew about two smaller stars that are closely related to Sirius Sirius B and Sirius C. The mystery was how they had obtained this knowledge, as these companion stars cannot be seen by the unaided eye. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. The author mentions that he could have made the book much longer but restrained himself "lest I blow this book up into a pufball of miscellaneous odds and ends" -- which prompted one reviewer to remark that Temple had stopped much too late to avoid that fate. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. It's almost certainly a hoax. Temples solution referred to legends of a mythical creature, the god Oannes, who might have been an extraterrestrial, described as descending to Earth from the stars to bring civilising wisdom to the Dogon forefathers. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Broca's Brain (New York: Random House, 1979), Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! himself and his loose speculations on what he learned from Griaule, who by Philip Coppens. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. They dont have telescopes or other WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). But that isn't the only parallel. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. Of those websites, over 400 had been updated within the last three months. And finally, even if Sirius B had been a visible red giant a few thousand years ago, how would the Dogon know that Sirius B was still there after it became a white dwarf? for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting by Liam McDaid. The Dogon. So much for the Nommos. Liam is the author of Urban Astronomy and is a Senior Scientist for Skeptic. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Griaule," Current Anthropology 32, 1992, pp. They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. I disagree. implausible notions such as the claim that the Dogon got their knowledge Temple has made very few verifiable assertions about mythology (and The Sirius Mystery is overwhelmingly about ancient myths, not about the Dogons or modern astronomy). Try my free online Rune Readings! Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. Webplanet earth. Such words would have more persuasion behind them (to me they're merely an emotional appeal to sympathy) if Temple had ever admitted anywhere in print that he had found (or had been shown) any errors in his book or articles or public statements -- but if he has done so, I haven't become aware of them. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say this is very worrying. Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. Temple does not argue that contact with an advanced civilization is the only way that the Dogon could have obtained what he understood to be accurate information on Sirius B, but he indicates that he personally finds the theory of alien contact more convincing. Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin 1999. G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. More recent research suggests that the contaminator was Griaule himself. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. stars to the sun, the Alpha Centauri system. This of course would destroy the modern influence explanation totally. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. If a European I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. How did the Dogon obtain this knowledge? You guessed it -- Sirius! In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Where did they get this knowledge, he asks, if not from The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. civilization. 1995. Sirius B was known to exist then. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. The Dogon. Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. Qr*OJhiglNKc}{9GdA Mlt^+nR-Sp-f.y-`Pg##uAQDu&W&HM~IK{%uAM'bRV A\Z.4gAHU*j,H( rPaf@)2j Ancient astronauts entrepreneur Erich von Daniken endorses and adopts Temple's explanations in his latest book, Von Daniken's Proof. To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. interpreter. Nevertheless the Sumerian Oannes myths, first described by Sagan and Shklovskiy in Intelligent Life in the Universe in 1966, are as intriguing as ever. They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). Y%gbsPFur[%X7Sz He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. This means that it will have a lifetime on the stellar Main Sequence, which is where stars spend 90% of their lives, of about 1.2 billion years. Many served in the French army in World War I and some of them could have returned years later with colorful embellishments for their native legends. Another claim: that in Egypt the oasis of Siwa and the ancient Nile City of Thebes are both equidistant from the shrine city of Behdet, in the delta -- and the same exact distance, too. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). Webplanet earth. Also, in the 1980s and 1990s, anthropologist Walter van Beek could find no evidence that the Dogon possessed knowledge about Sirius B today.9 But more enlightening is the fact that Griaule studied astronomy in Paris and brought star maps with him to Mali. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaules claims even more spectacular and accurate. Dogon to explain their beliefs. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. According to Griaule and Am I getting too picky here? It is also possible to conclude that such a star could in no way be responsible for the flurry of sightings from the 1920s, it would be too faint and too close to Sirius A to have ever been seen by visual observers.[17]. They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and Griaule, Marcel. Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Several possibilities exist. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. The difference in brightness between Sirius A and B is a factor of 10,000! Other ancient astronomical records make no mention of Sirius being red. informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references ), Another example: "The Dogon also mention a period of rotation of Sirius- Bone yearthis She claimed an alien starship commander had originally shown it to her. All rights reserved. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. Investigating due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. Most important, no one, even within the circle Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Figure 2. Perhaps so -- it does seem like a trivial point, arguing over how different two meaningless geographical distances really are. One problem with this idea is that Sirius B has been a white dwarf for at least tens of thousands of years. [7] Others, such as Marcel Griaule's daughter Genevive Calame-Griaule and an anthropologist, Luc de Heusch, came to criticize Van Beek's dismissal as "political" and riddled with "unchecked speculation", demonstrating a general ignorance of Dogon esoteric tradition. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Griaule and Dieterlen's claims, to fit his fantastic story. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The book's advertising blurb quotes prolific science writer Isaac Asimov, who says, "I couldn't find any mistakes in this book. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. He certainly did not have permission to use that statement as part of the promotion, I'11 just have to be even more careful hereafter.". The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. 2Q9-mV5F W4g?`Su#q6a]sdaGr*_70 ! ;`~RS)Hm@FGI.m3gcW|PF.(`VypT!]WM6'b//^FX[P\9:H37)DH,y|F(&Da]w o9-K?MR+z.R}7.ubqUIXVy~frF@". Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. The number "fifty" has great signifance in ancient myths. The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. The position of the I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. "Robert Temple on three different occasions, by mail and phone, attempted to get support from me and I steadfastly refused," Asimov wrote. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. The former study also concluded that while a triple system for Sirius could not be fully eliminated, the probability was low. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. characteristics. But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. based his account on an interview with one person, Ambara, and an In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." 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